Andy Howard. "What kind of educational systems would you propose for teaching comprehensive anticipatory design science?"

I don't know of any educational system that is being formally made available to society of today that does it that's why we're doing what we're doing for instance. And I really have developed what I have outside, and then I've tried to let you know as we go on here the way in which what you and I as human beings can do with another human being who wants to learn, but I gave you the child having to have the experience and then you're able to enlarge that experience pattern by saying "I've had that, but I did this a little more." You can help the child, then, to get, the little child may have had seven experiences and you give him one more, and that might be, you really need about eight to have the synergetic effect for it suddenly to see the principle. So, I said, as far as I'm concerned all we can do is to add to the experience inventory of the little individual, and we can say "It has been my experience, that I have learned that there are principles and you can be on the T.V. for one, if you'd like, and you might be really right for, you might help them synergetically then to see that principle, it would manifest in what they've been experiencing. In other words you can get to teaching, as I did, the great skier at Aspen Colorado that what he was doing was angular valving of gravity. And he agreed that was exactly what he was doing and he was terribly excited to find out that was so. That he could see that really was the proper scientific description.

So, you have to have the experience base. In other words, I think, Andy, there is a whole lot first to learn about how to what we can do on behalf of the other human being to give them the advantage of what we have learned. But number one, they must have a real desire for it, and you answer the kid's question when he is asking it. We all have very different appetite schedules of what we are interested in today, and to assume that all the kids are going to be interested in exactly the same thing the same day, nothing could be less logical. That's one of the reasons this kid is climbing up, he is not interested in that at all. So I think that we're going to find ways for the individual to get the information he wants, when he wants it, when there is that terrific appetite that is driving for it. And I think that is going to come through cassettes where the kids can plug in, they want information so they've learned they can go to the shelves of the encyclopedia, it's sort of fun to look at, and you do find this sort of interrelatedness, so you can figure out how to look up things in the encyclopedia by yourself. I think they will learn how to find there way around calling up the cassettes that they want. They could get a little better on and so forth, I think they will, I'm confident that as I say in, I have a book on this, EDUCATION AUTOMATION, that our real studying we do by ourselves, and we do not prosper by being in a room and the teacher asking a little kid to get up, and the little kid doesn't feel like getting up and performing, and it gets confusing, and they don't give the right answer, and then the teacher says "You're no good," and so forth. I think this is absolutely cruel, and devastating way to try to carry on. I think you have social experiences together, but studying you do by yourself. This is absolutely all, and you ought to be able to learn to mark your own paper you get that information, find it, because you'd really like to know, and you will find, I'm a very different rate of apprehending, I really have to read things a whole lot of times, other people read through quite fast, these are different traits. So I want that quite a lot of times, and I really want to check myself out. When I learn it that way, nobody can shake me. When I really learn it by my own experimental following it around there.

So, my answer to you, is, I don't think the system exists, Andy, but I think it is formulating very rapidly, and I think with the electronics mean are going to be very, very important. And that whole matter is being opposed by all the people who are so scared they are not going to earn a living. A number of people are committed to "how I learn a living by a teaching job" and looking for tenure, and they are just holding, the most powerful people in that whole education system are really holding back on any cassettes or anything like that, so it is not being officially fostered at all, what you're talking about, but it is coming out of the commitment of human beings and the ingenuity there are millions of people who would really like to help the kids, and who are scholars and realize that the other things would work better. The facility is developing quite rapidly. I find electronics things themselves are improving. We've talked about it, that the this station we're in right here, Bell, is really concerned because Phillips and RCA and NBC do not move a little faster CBS about the cassettes. But they are going to hook up to your television, and you're going to, the Phillips one I said is just one of these records that you can just fold up and mail, and a really flawless kind of a record so that the most information would be in the tightest package really the least destructible, so that I think that one of those is going to work. Phillips wants around $l,000 or $l,600 and RCA says they have one coming next year $600, but this has not been resolved. When the case has really come in, and they really can plug in anything you want from all around the world, about this time we're going to go through a whole lot before Russia and China are going to let satellites really begin to relay information very freely, but that will become too. But when the kids can really get information from all around the world, from all the, with all the computers really being inter-hooked, and they know where is that information, they're going to go and get it. They really are going to go and get it.

"What strategies can be employed to overcome the inertia existing in the home building industry?" Number one, the carriage trade did not change to produce the automobile. Nor and the people who made armorers did not develop the airplane. So don't look to the building industry for anything at all. But what can be done, I hope I've exposed you to a whole lot of what I've been trying to do for about a half a century working on how you develop environmental controls very economically and delicately, and that's what really so much of my discourse has been on on the Dymaxion House where I've cut down to 3 tons which did more than 150 tons at the time. I was really down to a very low figure already, and now I can go much further with the geodesic sphere. I can give you 300 buildings for one.

And so that the solution is going to be to have man stop using his highest production and scientific capability for the killingry, but turn this in the direction of making man a success and producing the air-deliverable dwelling service, so that you and I ought to be able then, to say, I'd like to live on that mountain top, and then would you have me a shelter up there this afternoon and I'm going to fly up, and you ought to be able to rent it for a couple of dollars a year. That's really all it should be. So, there is no particular reason why you should come into the city, except if you'd really like to meet people and so forth, to do whatever you're doing now, whatever it is. But that's the way it's going to be solved. So, what strategies can be employed. Really do study that part of my books. I don't know how much of my books you have read. I'm sure you've read quite a lot now. But, that has all been that is the grand strategy. To do more with less and employ the highest capabilities of man to take this prime task of looking out for human beings.

"If Design Science suggests motion is normal and everything else is just in a field of flux, how can an event be described as a "finite energy package?" The word "package" is the wrong thing. We have found that the photon and so forth, the energy does occur in quanta, I should have said "quanta" instead of saying "package." And the event occurs, and then discontinues. Physics has found no continuums. Events discontinue. Does that answer you properly? (From audience, "I think so.")

That's why I gave you you asked "finite packages" seems to describe a Universe of continuous stops and goes rather than with a continual flowing of reality. And I gave you the scenario where this man was born and he has his children and so forth, and he gets to be grandpa, and he dies, but the others, I call it an aggregate of nonsimultaneous and partially overlapping energy events, so it makes a complete web or tapestry. This is what is a rope, all the threads keep coming in at different points and they all overlap. There is a beautiful continuity but it must be thought of that way. That thread ends, and another one begins here, they are not end to end. It is an overlapping affair. That's the continual flowing of reality. Somebody just died, and somebody is just born. Bing. That's just happened again. These overlappings all the time in here. That trolley over there just stopped, and here's another, so it's always this stop and go.

This is from Ed Applewhite. "What is the rationale for the powering of the Scheherazade numbers? Do powers selected always reveal" he then gives the nine illion and the 14 illion numbers, and my primes only go up to 17 to the second power, all the rest are single powers. This is simply because I, in doing my exploring, because I kept looking for these numbers and finally from time to time coming to the "sublimely rememberable." I realized that doubling just in probability the reoccurrence of the number 2 as a necessity of halving or multiplying is very high and the numbers of times you need to get into 43 periodicity is very low, so the 17, Sonny, which you get to the second power, if you have an octave 8 that would be 16, so the prime number 13 would be all you needed, but I find then with an octave system, where you have 9's but those are zeros and these zeros incidentally are absolutely essential to the accommodating of waves and the energy discontinuities, and the only reason we can have any waves going through rooms is simply a matter of relative frequencies, there is nothing here at the time so there is nothing to interfere. These are the typicals that make possible electromagnetic wave propagation. But, 9 then is a zero, and you'd be fascinated if I begin to show you the way that zero begins to function in the closest packing of spheres and so forth. Let's have then (Bucky is drawing on the board again), I can have, here is a triangle, and there is a triangle, but only one of them can own this one. This is common to the two, and we find that, in the periodicities which this is one of the things that brought me great rewards in my numerology. I found that where systems cross up like that the 9's occur every time. They make an actual hollow or space for one side or the other to go through. O.K.?

This was a 10, when I get to doing it in this way, I found that where this was a nucleus, you remember, when I go around, building around a nucleus, this occurs in that 9 position time and again this zero position. Where one side or the other can go through that nucleus. One there were twelve degrees of freedom but one of them can go through it at a time, can you understand that? So actually that is an accommodating space necessary to Universe. At any rate, Sonny, 17 then gave me all the prime numbers up to 18 which were the two nines, so as you're counting the 9's, it gave me both the positive and negative octave, and from there on I didn't think the frequency of use of the prime numbers doesn't seem to show up, the probability is very low. Is that a good answer? (From the audience, "Thank you.")

Comprehensive Anticipatory Design Science, this is Cynde, in your visions if we are able to effectively design our future, how will man be living on this earth in the years to come. Tell us more of your dreams of the future. What patterns, what systems are to be affected? What about the future of the greatest, most complex tool of all, society?

Well, I just say no society, no me no otherness, no me. I'm the product of two to start off with, and I say, "no awareness no life, and no otherness no awareness." But Cynde, I feel that mainly I predicate everything on my working assumption that we are given mind, and we don't know of any other phenomena having it, and that the mind can discover and have reference to the generalized principles of Universe and the generalized when we have a complex of principles, which are all interaccommodative, we have then a design. Because, to me a design, in contradistinction to randomness or disorder, is that all the parts are interaccommodative, they are designed that way that's what you call a design. To find that all of these absolutely independent, extraordinary laws are all interaccommodative, I say, then tells me, human mind has had access to little bit little corner of the great design principles of Universe. This is extraordinary to me. This is overwhelming. Therefore, this must be for a very important reason, when I say, then I read that as meaning that we were to be a local monitor dealing with in Universe in complete inner-transformation everywhere, in incredible frequencies and many, many options, and is bound in making daisies and galaxies to have certain problem times, that we're here really for problem solving. I think I see us then as being operative in a much larger range of Universe so that our astronomers are dealing in great distances already, and we do have some space activity. I think we are going to be very deeply concerned with much more concerned with Universe than in a big way than we ever have been before. We are not being concerned about how you're going to earn a living. The minute we really take that nonsense out, and we will, the kind of interest you have just as a child, trying to understand the stars, man is really going to go he is going to be deep in the microcosm, deep in the macrocosm. He's going to go back and archaeologically rebuild all the cities of yesterday, he's going to take things out of the museums and put things back where they were originally. Nobody's trying to steal now because there's no reason for vandalizing or to steal, therefore you will be able to go and live in the way, you'll be able to go and live 3,000 years ago, and 5,000 years ago. These are things to be done, and it will be really very exciting so that you can not only range around geographically and so forth, but you can go backwards and forewords in time. We're going to do some very interesting things.